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Los Angeles, Oct. 18, 2004 (CWNews.com) - A consultant to the Vatican has said Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has incurred the penalty of excommunication from the Catholic Church.

The consultant made his statement in a highly unusual letter to Marc Balestrieri, a Los Angeles canon lawyer who formally sued John Kerry in ecclesiastical court for heresy.

Balestrieri, who launched his case earlier this year by filing a heresy complaint in Kerry's home archdiocese of Boston, told EWTN's "World Over" program on Friday that he had received an unusual, indirect communication from the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith regarding the pro-abortion stance.

That communication provides a basis, he said, to declare that any Catholic politician who says he is "personally opposed to abortion, but supports a woman's right to choose," incurs automatic excommunication. It also provided a basis for Balestrieri to broaden his canonical actions and file additional complaints against four more pro-abortion Catholic politicians: Democrat Senators Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts and Tom Harkin of Iowa; Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine; and former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, a Democrat.

The current action could be significant as it could undercut the entire debate over denying Communion to pro-abortion politicians. An excommunicated Catholic may not receive any of the sacraments of the Church, including the Eucharist, marriage, and even Christian burial. The type of excommunication outlined in the new information is called latae sententiae, which means that it occurs automatically and does not require a formal pronouncement by any Church official.

Balestrieri said he went to Rome in late August to discuss his canonical case with experts, including an official of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Less than 10 days later, he received a letter from Father Basil Cole, a Dominican theologian and consultant to the congregation based in Washington, DC, who said he had been "delegated" by Father Augustine DiNoia, undersecretary of the congregation, to give an unofficial response to the question that Balestrieri had submitted.

"I went to Rome in person to submit two critical questions to the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith," said Balestrieri. "The first: Whether or not the Church's teaching condemning any direct abortion is a dogma of Divine and Catholic Faith, and if the denial and doubt of the same constitutes heresy. The second: Whether or not a denial of the Church's teaching condemning every right to abortion also constitutes heresy. Father Cole, an expert theologian who studied the matter carefully, responded in the affirmative on both counts."

Father Cole wrote, "If a Catholic publicly and obstinately supports the civil right to abortion, knowing that the Church teaches officially against that legislation, he or she commits that heresy envisioned by Can. 751 of the Code [of Canon Law]. Provided that the presumptions of knowledge of the law and penalty and imputability are not rebutted in the external forum, one is automatically excommunicated ...."

Balestrieri said the response was unusual in several respects: that a response was provided to a layman at the request of the undersecretary in only 11 days, that the response was in writing, decisively clarifying the matter, and that it was in far greater detail than a typical official reply. "Normally, only a bishop may request such clarification of doctrine from the CDF, such responses usually take a much longer time to be received, and they are rarely made public," he said.

He also said that the original canonical complaint of heresy against Kerry had received so much response from the public that the tribunal of the Archdiocese of Boston has been deluged with thousands of letters from ordinary Catholics who wish to add their names to the complaint. The head of the archdiocesan tribunal reportedly told him that the case had not been rejected and was "now in the hands of the archbishop," that is, Archbishop Sean O'Malley of Boston.

Balestrieri, a self-identified political independent, says that his actions come as a defender of the faith and Holy Eucharist from sacrilege and scandal, not as one focused on an electoral outcome. "Our victory can come as early as today: It would be for Sen. Kerry, who publicly calls himself a Catholic and yet in violation of Canon Law continues to receive Holy Communion, to repent of his grave sin and publicly recant his abortion advocacy."

The complete text of Father Cole's response as well as other details of the pending cases are available on the DeFide.com web site.


Glossary Terms: Ordinary, canon law, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, excommunication

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Posted by: - Oct. 26, 2004 9:33 AM ET USA
The Vatican is weaseling out of something that absolutely must be discussed, and decided, and defined for every single Catholic around the world. What is everybody afraid of anyway?

Judie Brown

Posted by: - Oct. 21, 2004 5:18 PM ET USA
Yes, that's true. But, like I said, his opponent was also pro-choice and could very well have done the same thing...Gray Davis never promised that he wouldn't. The only area where Arnold differed was fiscally ...he promised responsibility in a state where government spending is wildly out of control. To his credit, he is by my perception, keeping that promise.

Posted by: - Oct. 21, 2004 11:32 AM ET USA
He just signed a bill authorising the use of public money for stem cell research! I just detect a double standard from certain quarters when it comes to dealing with democrats and republicans on these issues.

Posted by: - Oct. 21, 2004 11:26 AM ET USA
Here's my question for CWN. The Kerry excommunication story has been one of your three headline stories for the past week - longer than any other story that I've seen you keep in that category. We get your point of view. Okay??

Posted by: - Oct. 20, 2004 8:57 PM ET USA
TXCatholic: Arnold never campaigned as a Catholic, never stumped at the communion rail like Kerry. You tell me...should Arnold's Catholicism have mattered to me? The ousted Governer Gray Davis also claimed to be a pro-choice Catholic. Besides, unlike Kerry who if elected president will have the power to appoint Supreme Court justices and thereby have some control over the courts and Roe vs Wade, as governer of California and as things stand now, Arnold's position on abortion is inconsequential.

Posted by: - Oct. 20, 2004 8:11 PM ET USA
I.M. Teachable, the Vatican hardly declares anybody a heretic these days, even when they deny the Resurrection, the Divinity of Christ, or the Virgin Birth, so I wouldn't use the lack of disciplinary action as a proof of anything. As for the evil of abortion being infallibly declared (through the ordinary Magisterium) see Evangelium Vitae 57 and 62.

Posted by: - Oct. 20, 2004 5:09 PM ET USA
One good thing has come out of the Kerry candidacy: Catholics must face the question of what it means to be Catholic.

Since July 25, 1968, Catholics have been "following their conscience" on birth control and the leadership has been agreeably silent from the pulpit.

Now birth control has evolved to abortion as an issue to be avoided by church leadership.

Kerry is forcing the issue to the surface where it belongs. Out of all this turmoil, perhaps, will come clear and faithful preaching.

Posted by: - Oct. 20, 2004 4:13 PM ET USA
Excommunication is the theological analogue to impeachment in the natural sphere, both needed remedies - the first being the most important, obviously, given its supernatural connotations. They are to be looked upon as needed medicine to cure the supernatural and natural ills overtaking the world. The fact that they are not recognized as such is a direction function of the Church forgetting her divine directive re eternal life being paramount, and the state forgetting about the common good.

Posted by: - Oct. 20, 2004 3:42 PM ET USA
A Catholic Forum should not stop a question going to the heart of the matter. It is not canonical intricacy to ask why Fr. Curran was not declared a heretic by the Vatican. He was not denying something we must believe with divine and Catholic faith. Fr. Cole’s argument re abortion can be applied to the contraception teaching, too. So, is Curran now an official heretic or are we ignoring restrictions for use of “by divine and catholic faith” ? Cole admits the phrase had not been used on abortion

Posted by: Mauna Kea - Oct. 20, 2004 1:31 PM ET USA
Draginslayers comment "... should have been excommunicated OUT OF LOVE FOR THEM.." is important.
Culturally we have been TOLD instruction, correction and standards are NOT loving. AND we have listened to the idiots.

True shepherds, parents do correct, Jesus said, "your sin is forgiven, GO AND SIN NO MORE."

We have no measure of love without clear standards.

Posted by: - Oct. 20, 2004 1:09 PM ET USA
The truth is the truth. We are the Body of Christ, and Christ ALWAYS speaks the TRUTH (e.g. In Jn 6:34-67 Jesus does not fear the loss of all His disciples, and even encourages them to leave if they cannot accept the truth!) It is no different today. Where is the Faith? Do these bishops not realize they have less to fear if they uphold the Truths of our faith handed to us by Jesus? I feel like Mary Magdalene-"They've taken my Lord, and I don't know where they laid Him".

Posted by: Paul177 - Oct. 20, 2004 12:15 PM ET USA
The Vatican is now claiming that they where "hoodwinked" by Balestrieri, which may be the case. But, isn't the issue important enough to actually get an answer from the U.S. Bishops. Senator Kerry's defense that he can not impose his will on others rings hollow when in fact he is an active and vocal supporter of abortion rights. The level of tolerance that the vatican is willing to extend becomes an issue for the Faithful. They need to respond and stop worrying about scandal.

Posted by: - Oct. 19, 2004 9:10 PM ET USA
So Hannah, was it okay to vote for Arnold?

Posted by: letuspray - Oct. 19, 2004 8:52 PM ET USA
I am sick and tired of hearing Kerry claiming to be a Catholic. He has excommunicated himself from the Catholic Church repeatedly. His stance on abortion and stem-cell research is not the first time. He rejected the Church's teachings when he married his present wife while his first wife was still alive, never having even applied for an annulment until two years later and may not have gotten one. Refusing to follow Church law excommunicates oneself. Kerry is no Catholic. His claims are only lies

Posted by: - Oct. 19, 2004 5:59 PM ET USA
SuperDave -- You're only 300 years off. I was pontiff in the 19th century during the reign of Victoria Regina!

Posted by: - Oct. 19, 2004 5:09 PM ET USA

"You don't, I recall hearing a thing about excommunicating the governor of California when he was running for office. I wonder why that is?"

Because Arnold never used his faith as a way mine for votes.

Posted by: - Oct. 19, 2004 3:19 PM ET USA
You don't, I recall hearing a thing about excommunicating the governor of California when he was running for office. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: - Oct. 19, 2004 2:55 PM ET USA
I'm really pleased and comforted that there are so many righteous members in the Catholic Church.

Posted by: - Oct. 19, 2004 2:39 PM ET USA
All of you who get into the intricacies of the canon law: you are losing most of us. And what is more, we don't want to see anyone get tripped up on a fine point, any more than we want to see someone get freed by a loophole.
This IS a simple matter. Killing of the innocent is wrong. Forever and always. To encode a right to kill in civil law is the sign of a dying culture. Kerry should NOT be elected. Go out there and teach people how to vote. Before it is too late.

Posted by: - Oct. 19, 2004 11:58 AM ET USA
Trento: “In my opinion, the issue is perhaps not that simple.” If the teaching re abortion is De Fide then also for CONTRACEPTION, by Cole reasoning. The language is “proposed as divinely revealed” or “to be believed by divine and Catholic faith”. But the OFFICIAL Church cites canon 752 re abortion and contraception BEFORE Cole’s writing. 752 speaks of a “religious submission of intellect and will". Not everything in the deposit is under De Fide CANONICALLY. Cole’s case is not clear. Agree?

Posted by: - Oct. 19, 2004 11:52 AM ET USA
Regarding Trento's comment, iin addition to teching that abortion is morally wrong, the Church teaches that society has a moral obligation to protect all human life. Therefore, those who adopt a "pro-choice" position are still rejecting Church teaching, even if they acknowledge the wrongness of abortion.

Posted by: Trento - Oct. 19, 2004 9:30 AM ET USA
In my opinion, the issue is perhaps not that simple. Concerning whether the Church's doctrine against "directly procured abortion" is "de fide", I would agree that it is. However, when we talk about whether people have "right" to do it, the problem may be more complicated.

Take for an example, based on classic theology, peope has no "right" to believe in religions other than Catholicism for precisely the same reason. Moral rights are absolute, while political rights are not that clear. Agree?

Posted by: - Oct. 19, 2004 3:41 AM ET USA
The true message at the core of this development has nothing to do with politics. Rather, it relates solely to the eternal aspect of that which we call "truth". It's about absolutes - heaven/hell, right/wrong, love/sacrifice, salvation for all men - not merely the transgressions of a few, but the transgressions of all. The pathetic subliminal question in this matter asks "why"; why did it take the tenacity of of the laity . . . where has the hierarchy of the Church in the USA been? Hello, USCCB!

Posted by: - Oct. 19, 2004 12:36 AM ET USA
I still remember the days of the pontificate of Pius XII when this kind of nonsense simply would not have happened. Why are church leaders so afraid to confront modern culture when at the beginning of Christianity Christians were willing to die for Christ rather than compromise the faith given by the Apostles. If the Holy See does not want to confront any politician regardless of political affiliation, why not give a red hat to Chaput or Burke to support those willing to defend the Eucharist?

Posted by: Dragonslayer - Oct. 18, 2004 9:58 PM ET USA
Boy have we missed the issue. Is this a surprise? A Catholic does not have to be a lawyer to know this. And we don't need the Vatican to prove this point. Kerry and others should have been formally excommunicated out of love for them and Christ. To receive the Eucharist unworthly is a condemnation on oneself. It is also an insult to Christ. We are worried more about the politics than right and wrong. That is how we got into this mess. Too many care more about politics than the Body of Christ.

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 9:53 PM ET USA
If Senator Kerry's constituency were predominantly Muslim instead of Catholic, he would be making the Haj today. His constituency is predominantly nominal Catholics, and so that is what he is. Its not that he doesn't care that the Pope or Bishops may formally excommunicate him, he is counting on it. Because this will help him gain the reputation amongst like minded Catholics as one who is being bullied by his Church. He will gain their pity, and they will further lead each other astray.

Posted by: Ezekiel - Oct. 18, 2004 9:07 PM ET USA
I think this response is designed to elicit a more formal, judicial response from Kerry's own Archdiocese. It is proper that this matter be dealt with by his local bishop in his local diocese.

Posted by: Kathie - Oct. 18, 2004 9:07 PM ET USA
Somehow, this issue must be officialy addresssed by the Vatican. It has been unsettling to many Catholics, that the Church is dancing around taking the hard line that must be taken to maintain credibility. It is apparent by some of the responses some Catholics are going to vote for Kerry. These Catholics are very selective in their beliefs. Whatever they wish to do they find a reason to justify the wrong. What to these people think of partial birth abortion and induced abortion?

Posted by: Zoromyster - Oct. 18, 2004 9:01 PM ET USA
"A public excommunication will certainly cause a political backlash which can only work to Kerry's favor." Leo 13th

Leo, Weren't you Pope when King Henry of England thought the people would back him when he challenged Rome's authority? I think 'ol Henry had to make a public penance in sackcloth in front of all the "Kings Men" and his peasants too -- begging his way back into the Church.

Don't underestimate the faithful in this country.

Posted by: News Hound - Oct. 18, 2004 7:25 PM ET USA
How many priests and/or bishops would give communion to a person known to be excommunicated? However, it will take something more than unofficial word before this could be done.

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 7:20 PM ET USA
I think that a formal pronoucement from the Church of excommunication opens the door to the way back for penitents. The formal pronoucement from the Vatican only puts into motion the Church's ability to bring the penitent back from his or her errors. The are many folks in my estimiation who have incurred automatic excommunications and an excommunication is only the Church putting into words what the person has already done to him or herself by their actions. Pray they act on the mercy given.

Posted by: RC - Oct. 18, 2004 6:56 PM ET USA
This doesn't have to stay unofficial. I'm sure some stalwart bishops (we have a few now) would be happy to pose the same questions to CDF, just to get rid of any excuse about the status of the reply.

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 4:41 PM ET USA
Let’s say the Vatican would excommunicate Kerry officially. Then let’s say that Mr. Kerry is elected president of the United States. What would be the relationship between an excommunicated American president and the Vatican? There is no chance that the Vatican will publicly humiliate John Kerry.

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 3:28 PM ET USA
Yes, I have the feeling that the unofficial status of the letter is the "out" that the American bishops will use to sidestep the issue. They likely won't even address the reasoning contained in the letter, but will simply say, "Well, Father Cole is entitled to his opinion, but each bishop must address each situation on a case-by-case basis." Until the Vatican decides to address the question head-on, nothing is going to change, period.

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 3:23 PM ET USA
The excommunication is long overdue as a general rule in the church. We must take a stand to uphold our faith regardless of the outcome, much like our Lord did on the cross. We can not have it both ways and to many of our fellow Christians are using semantics to conveniently espouse Christian values when in fact they are doing quite the opposite. It seems clear that this particular person has an opportunity to use his political clout evangelize for life and not for personal goals

Posted by: Deek - Oct. 18, 2004 3:02 PM ET USA
I bet a lot of people will vote for Kerry now out of "pity" for him, and out of spite for the church.

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 2:22 PM ET USA
Mr. Kerry has excommunicated himself long ago. The moment he utters the phrase that it is OK to kill babies he no longer can have total Communion with the Catholic Church. And when I heard Ted Kennedy say on the floor of the Senate that an abortion was simply "another" medical procedure, I knew then (as a Nurse) that he had either no knowledge of what an abortion really was, or that he had no brains.

No matter what, the TRUTH shall come out. And these so called Catholics shall renounced.

Posted by: hUMPTY dUMPTY - Oct. 18, 2004 2:18 PM ET USA
A personal letter from a low-ranking consultant!!! As a canon lawyer, this is a extrajuridicial lynching. Where is the due process?? Where was the Devil's Advocate now that we need him?

But then, I remembered that Dominicans were the supporters of the Spanish Inquisition in extremis, and haven't lost their fire in the intervening centuries.

Ad inferno tecum.

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 2:15 PM ET USA
This is a strong first step that we should be praying has the effect of prompting all fallen away bretheren (John Kerry first and foremost) to return to the truth of the Church's teachings. The Body of Christ needs all of its members to be whole. Let's pray that this brings the benefit of conversions rather than hope for more excommunications! Let's immitate Christ in His plea for mercy: "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". Hopefully they will hear the truth and repent.

Posted by: Don Vicente - Oct. 18, 2004 2:08 PM ET USA
Reading the PDF of the ACTUAL LETTER, it is clearly a PERSONAL and UNOFFICIAL response -- the real give-away is the letterhead: Fr. Cole's PERSONAL letterhead, from his residence. What we have here is the well thought-out, and quite orthodox personal opinion of a professional theologian who is not a canon lawyer. The fact that Fr. Cole is a consultant to the CDF is irrelevant. It is indeed a well-argued personal opinion, but it is "non news." DonVicente, JCL

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 1:29 PM ET USA
Dear Vacillating Bishops,

If you are concerned about Senator Kerry's well being should you not publicly tell him that it is a grave sin to continue to publicly support abortion and that this is compounded by his receiving Holy Communion? If you do not, does that mean it isn't? What message should the Catholic in the pew take from that?

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 1:28 PM ET USA
A public excommunication will certainly cause a political backlash which can only work to Kerry's favor.

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 1:27 PM ET USA
I think the treatment of Senator Kerry will have the exact opposite effect on the American voters that the witch hunters are hoping for. People will side with Mr. Kerry and vote for him, just to show these bullies that their tactics will not work.

Posted by: Dom - Oct. 18, 2004 1:16 PM ET USA
Cole is not a canonist, he is a theologian and consultant to the CDF. He was also "delegated" (his word) by the CDF's undersecretary to write it. It is only unofficial because the CDF cannot respond officially to a layman. It doesn't negate the legal strength of what he wrote.

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 12:58 PM ET USA
Folks, you do know this is stated to be an "unofficial" response, right?

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 12:54 PM ET USA
This is an unofficial response from a well-intentioned Dominican canonist. This is where the Church gets itself into trouble but publicizing stuff like this when it is not official. I agree entirely with Fr. Cole's conclusions. Lets keep them in the propoer perspective. Moreover, what he says is nothing new.

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 12:47 PM ET USA
Thank God for Balestrieri. I strogly hope that Kerry is excomunicated publicly. Then watch for the consequences.

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 12:41 PM ET USA
Well there goes that proportionate reasoning arguement! This could have two effects it could make him a "liberal myrter" and assure him the presidency this is the road I'll think he is going to take or he could recant I hope he will but don't bet on it! Millions of Catholics will just not apreciate the gravity of supporting Kerry and just vote for Him anyway. It will be interesting to see which Bishops stand with whom. I hope every Catholic thinks long and hard before they support him now.

Posted by: - Oct. 18, 2004 12:11 PM ET USA
This is unusual to say the least. If the Pope himself made this declaration publicly, calling on his errant son to repent and return to the bosom of Holy Mother Church, it MIGHT have some impact on Mr. Kerry. It would at least force him to stop his sacrilegious communions. I think it would be more likely that he would leave the world and become a Carthusian monk than that he would recant his public endorsement of abortion "rights."

Posted by: Jdarc - Oct. 18, 2004 11:47 AM ET USA
"..to repent of his grave sin and publicly recant his abortion advocacy." Or the other option, publically leave the Catholic Church. imho, he did that already.

Posted by: Gil550 - Oct. 18, 2004 11:36 AM ET USA
The ripple effect of this action could be tremendous. Too bad it will be ignored by the American clergy.

Posted by: fisherman129 - Oct. 18, 2004 11:15 AM ET USA
Hold onto your hats... I think this is going to get a lot of caveats from a number of American Bishops and from the CDF itself... I don't think it's going to be as simple as this article says.... we're in for a raucus ride....
And I can just hear the simplistic responses to this!

Posted by: extremeCatholic - Oct. 18, 2004 11:01 AM ET USA
The October suprise comes from the Vatican: I'm sure that unlike the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that the Archdiocese of Boston see no need for a timely answer to Marc Balestrieri.

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